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This is my review of Royal Purple Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40.

What I did was not a mechanical fix. I had the transmission and parking brake "fixes" done. The transmission worked better, the parking brake, worse. I corrected the parking brake stiffness in setting by spraying some oil on the key/spring part that locks on the notches on the plate just forward of the parking brake pedal. That's another "who da thunk" that works wonders. I had to re-educate myself in setting the parking brake. Someone on this blog asked if anyone had ever heard of Royal Purple Oil. I had not, but I decided to explore. I went to their site and did some reading and was impressed (I highly recommend you do this and read for yourself). I called their free number, was transferred to a technician and spent probably 15 or more minutes asking him questions. I am not a mechanic by a long shot, but his answers were channeled to my level. I located a place near here that could order the Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40. This should not be a contested oil with BRP since they are now going to Synthetic Blend 10W40. It is not SM rated. It's hard to explain how much of a difference it has made. The best proof of the results came from one of our friends who owns an SE5. She is a rather aggressive, but good driver. We were riding with her and another one of our female Spyder (SM5) rider friends this weekend. We pulled off at a restaurant out of town and I had her ride our Spyder. She rode about one mile out and returned. When she parked you could see her smile through her full coverage helmet. She said, "This is beautiful! All you did was change oil? I want some!" After 1000 miles since the oil change on Mar 25, this is what I have noticed on our Spyder: the shifting is flawless, more responsive, smooth (gone are the burps...the only word I can think of...that occurred when down shifting automatically, just a slight notice, as the old automobile automatics used to do...I noticed this difference on the first 100 miles...the shift from 2nd to 1st was so smooth I had to look at the gear indicator, I thought I was still in 2nd!). When downshifting manually when you need a lower gear, like ride now, it gives it to you "right now", smoothly. I have not experienced any crawl in stop and go traffic (that's when the Spyder wants to craw when you are stop and go, and you are stopped, the rpms stay a bit high and if you take your foot off the brake it crawls forward). The engine is quieter. I have not had any purple (the oil is purple) oil drip on the right side scoop from the air filter box. Going up some of the long 6% grades on Interstate 8 east of San Diego I used to have to drop to 4th gear to maintain 65 mph (it just had a hard time maintaining speed without dropping rpms which dropped the speed...the engine sounded like it was struggling in 5th). Now I just twist the throttle more and the engine responds (again, I am not a mechanic, I can't explain any better).
That's a pretty long explanation, but that's how excited I am about the oil. And, no, I don't make money by sharing this. But if I can help make another Spyder rider happier, then that's what it's all about. If you would like to talk more about it to me, message me.
 

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This is my review of Royal Purple Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40.

What I did was not a mechanical fix. I had the transmission and parking brake "fixes" done. The transmission worked better, the parking brake, worse. I corrected the parking brake stiffness in setting by spraying some oil on the key/spring part that locks on the notches on the plate just forward of the parking brake pedal. That's another "who da thunk" that works wonders. I had to re-educate myself in setting the parking brake. Someone on this blog asked if anyone had ever heard of Royal Purple Oil. I had not, but I decided to explore. I went to their site and did some reading and was impressed (I highly recommend you do this and read for yourself). I called their free number, was transferred to a technician and spent probably 15 or more minutes asking him questions. I am not a mechanic by a long shot, but his answers were channeled to my level. I located a place near here that could order the Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40. This should not be a contested oil with BRP since they are now going to Synthetic Blend 10W40. It is not SM rated. It's hard to explain how much of a difference it has made. The best proof of the results came from one of our friends who owns an SE5. She is a rather aggressive, but good driver. We were riding with her and another one of our female Spyder (SM5) rider friends this weekend. We pulled off at a restaurant out of town and I had her ride our Spyder. She rode about one mile out and returned. When she parked you could see her smile through her full coverage helmet. She said, "This is beautiful! All you did was change oil? I want some!" After 1000 miles since the oil change on Mar 25, this is what I have noticed on our Spyder: the shifting is flawless, more responsive, smooth (gone are the burps...the only word I can think of...that occurred when down shifting automatically, just a slight notice, as the old automobile automatics used to do...I noticed this difference on the first 100 miles...the shift from 2nd to 1st was so smooth I had to look at the gear indicator, I thought I was still in 2nd!). When downshifting manually when you need a lower gear, like ride now, it gives it to you "right now", smoothly. I have not experienced any crawl in stop and go traffic (that's when the Spyder wants to craw when you are stop and go, and you are stopped, the rpms stay a bit high and if you take your foot off the brake it crawls forward). The engine is quieter. I have not had any purple (the oil is purple) oil drip on the right side scoop from the air filter box. Going up some of the long 6% grades on Interstate 8 east of San Diego I used to have to drop to 4th gear to maintain 65 mph (it just had a hard time maintaining speed without dropping rpms which dropped the speed...the engine sounded like it was struggling in 5th). Now I just twist the throttle more and the engine responds (again, I am not a mechanic, I can't explain any better).
That's a pretty long explanation, but that's how excited I am about the oil. And, no, I don't make money by sharing this. But if I can help make another Spyder rider happier, then that's what it's all about. If you would like to talk more about it to me, message me.
NAD Recommends Royal Purple Modify, Discontinue Certain Claims

New York, NY - April 1, 2009 - The National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus has recommended that Royal Purple, Ltd., modify or discontinue certain advertising claims for it's synthetic motor oil.

NAD, the advertising industry's self-regulatory forum, examined comparative performance and superiority claims in print, broadcast and Internet advertising, following a challenge by BP Lubricants.

Claims at issue included:

• "Independent university and industry tests document the performance gains of using Royal Purple. When compared to leading synthetic and conventional motor oils, Royal Purple typically:"

"Increases horsepower and torque by as much as 3%."

"Reduces engine wear by as much as 80%."

"Improves fuel economy by as much as 5%."

"Fuel economy improvement up to 5% or more."

"Reduces engine heat by as much as 10%."

"Reductions in heat of up to 12%."

"Reduces engine heat by as much as 10%."

"Reduces emissions up to 20% or more."

"Reductions in emissions of 20% or more."

• "Unsurpassed," "Unparalleled," "Most Advanced."

• "Provides Film Strength up to 400% stronger than other motor oils."

• "Superior oxidation stability..."

• "API/ILSAC Certified."

In its decision, NAD noted that the advertiser voluntarily agreed to discontinue the claims "most advanced," "unsurpassed performance" and "unparalleled performance," steps that NAD found were necessary and proper to avoid confusion in the marketplace NAD noted that it appreciated the advertiser's participation in the NAD process, especially as a newcomer to the retail automotive industry as it branches out from industrial lubricants. Further, NAD noted that testimonials included in a wide range of auto-enthusiast publications indicate that Royal Purple's consumers are "vocally appreciative of its synthetic purple engine oil."

However, NAD noted, anecdotal evidence based solely on the experiences of individual consumers is insufficient to support product efficacy claims, including claims related to horsepower, torque, fuel economy or engine heat. While the advertiser may quote from published articles if it provides clear and conspicuous attribution to the publisher, it may not rely on such articles to support efficacy claims for which it has no reliable independent validation.

Following its review of the non-anecdotal evidence in the record, NAD recommended that the advertiser discontinue the claims "Reduces emissions up to 20% or more." and "Reductions in emissions of 20% or more" because the studies on which the claims were based are outdated and not consumer-relevant.

NAD recommended that the advertiser discontinue its unsupported claim that Royal Purple motor oil is "API/ILSAC Certified."

Royal Purple, in its advertiser's statement, said it "appreciates NAD's review of the extensive record in this matter as well as the NAD's recognition of the difficulty the automotive industry has with accurately quantifying performance claims based on bench tests alone as they do not accurately reflect real world results."

The company noted that, while it believes the "tests and testimonials it supplied as evidence accurately portray the benefits of using its synthetic oil in a wide variety of applications, it defers to the NAD's position that those tests and testimonials alone are insufficient to support specific performance attribute claims in consumer advertising."

The company noted, as well, that it has "already made changes to its advertising in accordance with the NAD recommendations and will continue to implement NAD's recommendations and analysis in developing Royal Purple's future advertising."

NAD's inquiry was conducted under NAD/CARU/NARB Procedures for the Voluntary Self-Regulation of

National Advertising. Details of the initial inquiry, NAD's decision, and the advertiser's response will be

included in the next NAD/CARU Case Report.

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Royal Purple Info (as tested by Amsoil tech Labs)

As you may know, Royal Purple is well known in racing circles. The chemistry they use is something AMSOIL, Inc. chooses not to use in their oil formulation. One of Amsoil's big selling points is extended drain intervals, such as our 25,000 mile and 35,000 mile oil change intervals. Some additive chemicals such as Moly may cause adverse conditions when used for long periods.

Royal Purple uses a different chemistry than most oil producers. They are one of only a handful of marketers using Molybdenum Disulfide (Moly) in their oil formulations at these higher levels.

Moly is a processed mineral that is similar in appearance to graphite. Moly has good lubricating properties when used either by itself (in dry power form or as an additive to oil or other lubricants). Particles of the Moly can come out of suspension and agglomerate. Over time this may actually clog or partially clog oil filters or oil lines and the remainder normally settles in the bottom of the oil pan. This seems to be more likely when using extended drain intervals. The only test we ran on Royal Purple involved their 20W50 Racing oil versus our AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 20W50 Racing Oil (TRO). We ran two 4 ball wear tests with different parameters, a spectrographic baseline, FTIR scan and volatility tests. The Royal Purple showed a significantly high volatility rate with a 12.51% boil off rate. This compares to the AMSOIL TRO with only a 4.47% volatility rating. Wear scars were also smaller with the TRO. For example the AMSOIL TRO left a .41mm scar and the Royal Purple oil left a .66mm scar. The lower the scar damage number the better! There was also a surprising difference in the viscosity index. The RP has a VI of 129 versus 155 for the TRO. The higher the VI, the better the viscosity stays in place at high temperatures.

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I'm not an amsoil advocate , nor do I have anything bad to say about Royal Purple , I always stick to BRP's branded oil (Castrol I think)

Now as for the gains noted by the poster , the Moly would certainly contribute to what he experienced. Moly is super slippery. And long term very detrimental to clutches.........
 

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NAD Recommends Royal Purple Modify, Discontinue Certain Claims

New York, NY - April 1, 2009 - The National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus has recommended that Royal Purple, Ltd., modify or discontinue certain advertising claims for it's synthetic motor oil.

NAD, the advertising industry's self-regulatory forum, examined comparative performance and superiority claims in print, broadcast and Internet advertising, following a challenge by BP Lubricants.

Claims at issue included:

• "Independent university and industry tests document the performance gains of using Royal Purple. When compared to leading synthetic and conventional motor oils, Royal Purple typically:"

"Increases horsepower and torque by as much as 3%."

"Reduces engine wear by as much as 80%."

"Improves fuel economy by as much as 5%."

"Fuel economy improvement up to 5% or more."

"Reduces engine heat by as much as 10%."

"Reductions in heat of up to 12%."

"Reduces engine heat by as much as 10%."

"Reduces emissions up to 20% or more."

"Reductions in emissions of 20% or more."

• "Unsurpassed," "Unparalleled," "Most Advanced."

• "Provides Film Strength up to 400% stronger than other motor oils."

• "Superior oxidation stability..."

• "API/ILSAC Certified."

In its decision, NAD noted that the advertiser voluntarily agreed to discontinue the claims "most advanced," "unsurpassed performance" and "unparalleled performance," steps that NAD found were necessary and proper to avoid confusion in the marketplace NAD noted that it appreciated the advertiser's participation in the NAD process, especially as a newcomer to the retail automotive industry as it branches out from industrial lubricants. Further, NAD noted that testimonials included in a wide range of auto-enthusiast publications indicate that Royal Purple's consumers are "vocally appreciative of its synthetic purple engine oil."

However, NAD noted, anecdotal evidence based solely on the experiences of individual consumers is insufficient to support product efficacy claims, including claims related to horsepower, torque, fuel economy or engine heat. While the advertiser may quote from published articles if it provides clear and conspicuous attribution to the publisher, it may not rely on such articles to support efficacy claims for which it has no reliable independent validation.

Following its review of the non-anecdotal evidence in the record, NAD recommended that the advertiser discontinue the claims "Reduces emissions up to 20% or more." and "Reductions in emissions of 20% or more" because the studies on which the claims were based are outdated and not consumer-relevant.

NAD recommended that the advertiser discontinue its unsupported claim that Royal Purple motor oil is "API/ILSAC Certified."

Royal Purple, in its advertiser's statement, said it "appreciates NAD's review of the extensive record in this matter as well as the NAD's recognition of the difficulty the automotive industry has with accurately quantifying performance claims based on bench tests alone as they do not accurately reflect real world results."

The company noted that, while it believes the "tests and testimonials it supplied as evidence accurately portray the benefits of using its synthetic oil in a wide variety of applications, it defers to the NAD's position that those tests and testimonials alone are insufficient to support specific performance attribute claims in consumer advertising."

The company noted, as well, that it has "already made changes to its advertising in accordance with the NAD recommendations and will continue to implement NAD's recommendations and analysis in developing Royal Purple's future advertising."

NAD's inquiry was conducted under NAD/CARU/NARB Procedures for the Voluntary Self-Regulation of

National Advertising. Details of the initial inquiry, NAD's decision, and the advertiser's response will be

included in the next NAD/CARU Case Report.

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Royal Purple Info (as tested by Amsoil tech Labs)

As you may know, Royal Purple is well known in racing circles. The chemistry they use is something AMSOIL, Inc. chooses not to use in their oil formulation. One of Amsoil's big selling points is extended drain intervals, such as our 25,000 mile and 35,000 mile oil change intervals. Some additive chemicals such as Moly may cause adverse conditions when used for long periods.

Royal Purple uses a different chemistry than most oil producers. They are one of only a handful of marketers using Molybdenum Disulfide (Moly) in their oil formulations at these higher levels.

Moly is a processed mineral that is similar in appearance to graphite. Moly has good lubricating properties when used either by itself (in dry power form or as an additive to oil or other lubricants). Particles of the Moly can come out of suspension and agglomerate. Over time this may actually clog or partially clog oil filters or oil lines and the remainder normally settles in the bottom of the oil pan. This seems to be more likely when using extended drain intervals. The only test we ran on Royal Purple involved their 20W50 Racing oil versus our AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 20W50 Racing Oil (TRO). We ran two 4 ball wear tests with different parameters, a spectrographic baseline, FTIR scan and volatility tests. The Royal Purple showed a significantly high volatility rate with a 12.51% boil off rate. This compares to the AMSOIL TRO with only a 4.47% volatility rating. Wear scars were also smaller with the TRO. For example the AMSOIL TRO left a .41mm scar and the Royal Purple oil left a .66mm scar. The lower the scar damage number the better! There was also a surprising difference in the viscosity index. The RP has a VI of 129 versus 155 for the TRO. The higher the VI, the better the viscosity stays in place at high temperatures.

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I'm not an amsoil advocate , nor do I have anything bad to say about Royal Purple , I always stick to BRP's branded oil (Castrol I think)

Now as for the gains noted by the poster , the Moly would certainly contribute to what he experienced. Moly is super slippery. And long term very detrimental to clutches.........
The RP oil I use is motorcycle oil. It is compatible with wet clutches. It is NOT automotive oil. It is not SM rated. I am not advocating ANYONE use this oil. If you read my title, this is my review and my review only with the results I experienced. The technician said that RP does not use Moly in it's motorcycle oil. That would be kind of a foolish thing to do , don't you think? By all means, use the oil of your choice! I don't have a clue who makes BRP's oil, but I do know who makes Royal Purple's oil.
 

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The RP oil I use is motorcycle oil. It is compatible with wet clutches. It is NOT automotive oil. It is not SM rated. I am not advocating ANYONE use this oil. If you read my title, this is my review and my review only with the results I experienced. The technician said that RP does not use Moly in it's motorcycle oil. That would be kind of foolish, don't you think? By all means, use the oil of your choice! I don't have a clue who makes BRP's oil, but I do know who makes Royal Purple's oil.
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Well, Amsoil could just as easily be called out about all of their 'claims' and 'tests'.

Fortunately my Spyder doesn't have the '4 ball bearings in a pyramid' that amsoil likes to use for their tests, otherwise I might consider using their product.


Extending your oil changes is just nuts - in my opinion. The oil breaking down isn't the big problem - it's the contaminents and metal that might be floating around after so many miles.

I would stick with the BRP if they were still selling their full synthetic - but now that they went to a blend that is 10W40 - I'm gonna switch to Royal Purple Max cycle.
 

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Well, Amsoil could just as easily be called out about all of their 'claims' and 'tests'.

Fortunately my Spyder doesn't have the '4 ball bearings in a pyramid' that amsoil likes to use for their tests, otherwise I might consider using their product.


Extending your oil changes is just nuts - in my opinion. The oil breaking down isn't the big problem - it's the contaminents and metal that might be floating around after so many miles.

I would stick with the BRP if they were still selling their full synthetic - but now that they went to a blend that is 10W40 - I'm gonna switch to Royal Purple Max cycle.
I would never use amsoil , I'm not advocating that, BUT Purple is not a pure synthetic either, no more than BRP's is ....... Do your research....
 

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here is a great topic on Purple...

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...205&fpart=1

and if you really want to learn about oils, then grab a soda and spend an hour or two here:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

After you've done all your research and learned alot you may change your opinion about oils...
You definitely reaearch oils. Did not know there was so much on oil.
After all you knowledge and knowing that BRP is using a blend, do you go with the blend or a synthetic, if so, which one?
 

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NAD Recommends Royal Purple Modify, Discontinue Certain Claims

New York, NY - April 1, 2009 - The National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus has recommended that Royal Purple, Ltd., modify or discontinue certain advertising claims for it's synthetic motor oil.

NAD, the advertising industry's self-regulatory forum, examined comparative performance and superiority claims in print, broadcast and Internet advertising, following a challenge by BP Lubricants.

Claims at issue included:

• "Independent university and industry tests document the performance gains of using Royal Purple. When compared to leading synthetic and conventional motor oils, Royal Purple typically:"

"Increases horsepower and torque by as much as 3%."

"Reduces engine wear by as much as 80%."

"Improves fuel economy by as much as 5%."

"Fuel economy improvement up to 5% or more."

"Reduces engine heat by as much as 10%."

"Reductions in heat of up to 12%."

"Reduces engine heat by as much as 10%."

"Reduces emissions up to 20% or more."

"Reductions in emissions of 20% or more."

• "Unsurpassed," "Unparalleled," "Most Advanced."

• "Provides Film Strength up to 400% stronger than other motor oils."

• "Superior oxidation stability..."

• "API/ILSAC Certified."

In its decision, NAD noted that the advertiser voluntarily agreed to discontinue the claims "most advanced," "unsurpassed performance" and "unparalleled performance," steps that NAD found were necessary and proper to avoid confusion in the marketplace NAD noted that it appreciated the advertiser's participation in the NAD process, especially as a newcomer to the retail automotive industry as it branches out from industrial lubricants. Further, NAD noted that testimonials included in a wide range of auto-enthusiast publications indicate that Royal Purple's consumers are "vocally appreciative of its synthetic purple engine oil."

However, NAD noted, anecdotal evidence based solely on the experiences of individual consumers is insufficient to support product efficacy claims, including claims related to horsepower, torque, fuel economy or engine heat. While the advertiser may quote from published articles if it provides clear and conspicuous attribution to the publisher, it may not rely on such articles to support efficacy claims for which it has no reliable independent validation.

Following its review of the non-anecdotal evidence in the record, NAD recommended that the advertiser discontinue the claims "Reduces emissions up to 20% or more." and "Reductions in emissions of 20% or more" because the studies on which the claims were based are outdated and not consumer-relevant.

NAD recommended that the advertiser discontinue its unsupported claim that Royal Purple motor oil is "API/ILSAC Certified."

Royal Purple, in its advertiser's statement, said it "appreciates NAD's review of the extensive record in this matter as well as the NAD's recognition of the difficulty the automotive industry has with accurately quantifying performance claims based on bench tests alone as they do not accurately reflect real world results."

The company noted that, while it believes the "tests and testimonials it supplied as evidence accurately portray the benefits of using its synthetic oil in a wide variety of applications, it defers to the NAD's position that those tests and testimonials alone are insufficient to support specific performance attribute claims in consumer advertising."

The company noted, as well, that it has "already made changes to its advertising in accordance with the NAD recommendations and will continue to implement NAD's recommendations and analysis in developing Royal Purple's future advertising."

NAD's inquiry was conducted under NAD/CARU/NARB Procedures for the Voluntary Self-Regulation of

National Advertising. Details of the initial inquiry, NAD's decision, and the advertiser's response will be

included in the next NAD/CARU Case Report.

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Royal Purple Info (as tested by Amsoil tech Labs)

As you may know, Royal Purple is well known in racing circles. The chemistry they use is something AMSOIL, Inc. chooses not to use in their oil formulation. One of Amsoil's big selling points is extended drain intervals, such as our 25,000 mile and 35,000 mile oil change intervals. Some additive chemicals such as Moly may cause adverse conditions when used for long periods.

Royal Purple uses a different chemistry than most oil producers. They are one of only a handful of marketers using Molybdenum Disulfide (Moly) in their oil formulations at these higher levels.

Moly is a processed mineral that is similar in appearance to graphite. Moly has good lubricating properties when used either by itself (in dry power form or as an additive to oil or other lubricants). Particles of the Moly can come out of suspension and agglomerate. Over time this may actually clog or partially clog oil filters or oil lines and the remainder normally settles in the bottom of the oil pan. This seems to be more likely when using extended drain intervals. The only test we ran on Royal Purple involved their 20W50 Racing oil versus our AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 20W50 Racing Oil (TRO). We ran two 4 ball wear tests with different parameters, a spectrographic baseline, FTIR scan and volatility tests. The Royal Purple showed a significantly high volatility rate with a 12.51% boil off rate. This compares to the AMSOIL TRO with only a 4.47% volatility rating. Wear scars were also smaller with the TRO. For example the AMSOIL TRO left a .41mm scar and the Royal Purple oil left a .66mm scar. The lower the scar damage number the better! There was also a surprising difference in the viscosity index. The RP has a VI of 129 versus 155 for the TRO. The higher the VI, the better the viscosity stays in place at high temperatures.

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I'm not an amsoil advocate , nor do I have anything bad to say about Royal Purple , I always stick to BRP's branded oil (Castrol I think)

Now as for the gains noted by the poster , the Moly would certainly contribute to what he experienced. Moly is super slippery. And long term very detrimental to clutches.........
Tested in an Amsoil lab. What a surprise! Amsoil won!
 

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here is a great topic on Purple...

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...205&fpart=1

and if you really want to learn about oils, then grab a soda and spend an hour or two here:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

After you've done all your research and learned alot you may change your opinion about oils...
Another Amsoil win! And the price of the Royal Purple on that site is a bit high compared to what I paid, $13.89 plus tax/qt. But again, research results are generally relative. You could put a block of ice on a table and ask three different scientists to write a report on their observations on the melting process of the ice, and you would probably get 3 different results. Again, I started this thread as a review of my findings on Royal Purple Motorcycle Oil as it related to the differences in the performance of our Spyder. Not the chemical or mechanical results of indepth research by a biochemist or mechanical engineer. By all means, use whatever oil you want.
 

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here is a great topic on Purple...

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...205&fpart=1

and if you really want to learn about oils, then grab a soda and spend an hour or two here:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

After you've done all your research and learned alot you may change your opinion about oils...
Read plenty of Bob's stuff over dinner today. Seems to know quite a bit - but I'm also a bit suspect due to the big Mobile oil ad in the middle of the page.

Your first link was also just a forum - like this one - as we all know - your mileage may vary.

Not sure what you mean by 'pure' synthetic. The BRP they are now using is a blend.
 

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Read plenty of Bob's stuff over dinner today. Seems to know quite a bit - but I'm also a bit suspect due to the big Mobile oil ad in the middle of the page.

Your first link was also just a forum - like this one - as we all know - your mileage may vary.

Not sure what you mean by 'pure' synthetic. The BRP they are now using is a blend.
Yes it is a blend. Not saying its any better or worse than any other synthetic. I'm not here to tout BRP oil, or any other for that matter, I've been in the industry 21 years and watched the evolution of oils into synthetics... The question that is really scary is how much synthetic base is put into a synthetic blend.... I know of a few manufacturers that when the there is a VOA (Virgin oil analysis) done , they come out with 2-3 percent synthetic base and its called a blend.....


And Royal Purple does contain Moly , its in their additive package which is called synerlec. A VOA breakdown of purple shows its not entirely synthetic base stocks also.

That doesn't make it a bad oil!!! It just means there is alot more advertising money spent on some of these brands that puts a "spin" on what you "think" you are getting... Case in point the purple dye in the oil...it has no use but man its cool so the oil must be awesome...
 

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Read plenty of Bob's stuff over dinner today. Seems to know quite a bit - but I'm also a bit suspect due to the big Mobile oil ad in the middle of the page.

Your first link was also just a forum - like this one - as we all know - your mileage may vary.

Not sure what you mean by 'pure' synthetic. The BRP they are now using is a blend.
Yes it is a blend. Not saying its any better or worse than any other synthetic. I'm not here to tout BRP oil, or any other for that matter, I've been in the industry 21 years and watched the evolution of oils into synthetics... The question that is really scary is how much synthetic base is put into a synthetic blend.... I know of a few manufacturers that when the there is a VOA (Virgin oil analysis) done , they come out with 2-3 percent synthetic base and its called a blend.....


And Royal Purple does contain Moly , its in their additive package which is called synerlec. A VOA breakdown of purple shows its not entirely synthetic base stocks also.

That doesn't make it a bad oil!!! It just means there is alot more advertising money spent on some of these brands that puts a "spin" on what you "think" you are getting... Case in point the purple dye in the oil...it has no use but man its cool so the oil must be awesome...
 

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This is my review of Royal Purple Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40.

What I did was not a mechanical fix. I had the transmission and parking brake "fixes" done. The transmission worked better, the parking brake, worse. I corrected the parking brake stiffness in setting by spraying some oil on the key/spring part that locks on the notches on the plate just forward of the parking brake pedal. That's another "who da thunk" that works wonders. I had to re-educate myself in setting the parking brake. Someone on this blog asked if anyone had ever heard of Royal Purple Oil. I had not, but I decided to explore. I went to their site and did some reading and was impressed (I highly recommend you do this and read for yourself). I called their free number, was transferred to a technician and spent probably 15 or more minutes asking him questions. I am not a mechanic by a long shot, but his answers were channeled to my level. I located a place near here that could order the Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40. This should not be a contested oil with BRP since they are now going to Synthetic Blend 10W40. It is not SM rated. It's hard to explain how much of a difference it has made. The best proof of the results came from one of our friends who owns an SE5. She is a rather aggressive, but good driver. We were riding with her and another one of our female Spyder (SM5) rider friends this weekend. We pulled off at a restaurant out of town and I had her ride our Spyder. She rode about one mile out and returned. When she parked you could see her smile through her full coverage helmet. She said, "This is beautiful! All you did was change oil? I want some!" After 1000 miles since the oil change on Mar 25, this is what I have noticed on our Spyder: the shifting is flawless, more responsive, smooth (gone are the burps...the only word I can think of...that occurred when down shifting automatically, just a slight notice, as the old automobile automatics used to do...I noticed this difference on the first 100 miles...the shift from 2nd to 1st was so smooth I had to look at the gear indicator, I thought I was still in 2nd!). When downshifting manually when you need a lower gear, like ride now, it gives it to you "right now", smoothly. I have not experienced any crawl in stop and go traffic (that's when the Spyder wants to craw when you are stop and go, and you are stopped, the rpms stay a bit high and if you take your foot off the brake it crawls forward). The engine is quieter. I have not had any purple (the oil is purple) oil drip on the right side scoop from the air filter box. Going up some of the long 6% grades on Interstate 8 east of San Diego I used to have to drop to 4th gear to maintain 65 mph (it just had a hard time maintaining speed without dropping rpms which dropped the speed...the engine sounded like it was struggling in 5th). Now I just twist the throttle more and the engine responds (again, I am not a mechanic, I can't explain any better).
That's a pretty long explanation, but that's how excited I am about the oil. And, no, I don't make money by sharing this. But if I can help make another Spyder rider happier, then that's what it's all about. If you would like to talk more about it to me, message me.
 

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This is my review of Royal Purple Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40.

What I did was not a mechanical fix. I had the transmission and parking brake "fixes" done. The transmission worked better, the parking brake, worse. I corrected the parking brake stiffness in setting by spraying some oil on the key/spring part that locks on the notches on the plate just forward of the parking brake pedal. That's another "who da thunk" that works wonders. I had to re-educate myself in setting the parking brake. Someone on this blog asked if anyone had ever heard of Royal Purple Oil. I had not, but I decided to explore. I went to their site and did some reading and was impressed (I highly recommend you do this and read for yourself). I called their free number, was transferred to a technician and spent probably 15 or more minutes asking him questions. I am not a mechanic by a long shot, but his answers were channeled to my level. I located a place near here that could order the Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 10W40. This should not be a contested oil with BRP since they are now going to Synthetic Blend 10W40. It is not SM rated. It's hard to explain how much of a difference it has made. The best proof of the results came from one of our friends who owns an SE5. She is a rather aggressive, but good driver. We were riding with her and another one of our female Spyder (SM5) rider friends this weekend. We pulled off at a restaurant out of town and I had her ride our Spyder. She rode about one mile out and returned. When she parked you could see her smile through her full coverage helmet. She said, "This is beautiful! All you did was change oil? I want some!" After 1000 miles since the oil change on Mar 25, this is what I have noticed on our Spyder: the shifting is flawless, more responsive, smooth (gone are the burps...the only word I can think of...that occurred when down shifting automatically, just a slight notice, as the old automobile automatics used to do...I noticed this difference on the first 100 miles...the shift from 2nd to 1st was so smooth I had to look at the gear indicator, I thought I was still in 2nd!). When downshifting manually when you need a lower gear, like ride now, it gives it to you "right now", smoothly. I have not experienced any crawl in stop and go traffic (that's when the Spyder wants to craw when you are stop and go, and you are stopped, the rpms stay a bit high and if you take your foot off the brake it crawls forward). The engine is quieter. I have not had any purple (the oil is purple) oil drip on the right side scoop from the air filter box. Going up some of the long 6% grades on Interstate 8 east of San Diego I used to have to drop to 4th gear to maintain 65 mph (it just had a hard time maintaining speed without dropping rpms which dropped the speed...the engine sounded like it was struggling in 5th). Now I just twist the throttle more and the engine responds (again, I am not a mechanic, I can't explain any better).
That's a pretty long explanation, but that's how excited I am about the oil. And, no, I don't make money by sharing this. But if I can help make another Spyder rider happier, then that's what it's all about. If you would like to talk more about it to me, message me.
I was out riding with Dudley last weekend. We both have SE5's, so no clutch. The BRP transmission fix I got about a month ago definitely improved upshifting while the downshifting pretty much remained the same. Dudley told me about the Royal Purple motorcycle oil he was using. I took his spyder for a spin and couldn't believe the difference. The down shifting was incredibly smooth. I didn't know oil could make such a difference. I can't speak as to it's emissions, gas mileage, etc, etc. I only know that the improvement is unbelieveable. I ordered the oil the next day and picked it up yesterday. It will be in my spyder by this weekend. Spyderwoman
 

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What oil do you use widowmaker2011?
Smokster- In my Spyders I use BRP oil , no questions on warranty coverages, and the overall cost considering the number of quarts used a year is minimal. In my Buell I run Mobil 1 synthetic v twin motorcycle oil. I am very happy with its performance and when my warranty is up in both Spyders they will get it too. I went the amsoil route about 6 years ago and swear I will never make that mistake again.

Spyderwoman and Dudley- As far as the SE5's downshifting smoother with the purple.... I cannot say this from first hand knowledge as I have not ridden one with Purple... however common sense says perhaps there is a correlation. The synerlec additive package in Purple contains Moly. The SE5 clutch system while seemingly very hightech still is just a clutch. What it doesn't have the ability to be human , it can't sense "grab" and it can't feel "drag" so its a pretty unsophisticated downshift. (Have you ever heard a rookie downshift a bike? CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK)....anyways, the moly in the synerlec additive package coats clutch plates, thats a fact. (Its long term damage to fiber clutch plates is debatable as it builds a film up on the plates) . The plates being slippery(er) should by all means cause a less abrupt "feel" when downshifting. It basically "covers-up" the computer just poking the gear shift down without care and alows alittle slip, thus the smoother feel. So I won't discount that. The long term affects on the clutching system? Unknown. And that same smooth "slip" you feel on downshifts ABSOLUTELY translates to slip on acceleration, maybe something you won't feel today but will get worse with miles...how many miles? I don't know.

Before I get flamed, I am NOT bashing or advocating , just sharing some knowledge. I know I sometimes come across a little brash, but its not my intent. There's a ton of people out there not only new to the spyder but new to the whole motorcycle thing too.
 

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Smokster- In my Spyders I use BRP oil , no questions on warranty coverages, and the overall cost considering the number of quarts used a year is minimal. In my Buell I run Mobil 1 synthetic v twin motorcycle oil. I am very happy with its performance and when my warranty is up in both Spyders they will get it too. I went the amsoil route about 6 years ago and swear I will never make that mistake again.

Spyderwoman and Dudley- As far as the SE5's downshifting smoother with the purple.... I cannot say this from first hand knowledge as I have not ridden one with Purple... however common sense says perhaps there is a correlation. The synerlec additive package in Purple contains Moly. The SE5 clutch system while seemingly very hightech still is just a clutch. What it doesn't have the ability to be human , it can't sense "grab" and it can't feel "drag" so its a pretty unsophisticated downshift. (Have you ever heard a rookie downshift a bike? CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK)....anyways, the moly in the synerlec additive package coats clutch plates, thats a fact. (Its long term damage to fiber clutch plates is debatable as it builds a film up on the plates) . The plates being slippery(er) should by all means cause a less abrupt "feel" when downshifting. It basically "covers-up" the computer just poking the gear shift down without care and alows alittle slip, thus the smoother feel. So I won't discount that. The long term affects on the clutching system? Unknown. And that same smooth "slip" you feel on downshifts ABSOLUTELY translates to slip on acceleration, maybe something you won't feel today but will get worse with miles...how many miles? I don't know.

Before I get flamed, I am NOT bashing or advocating , just sharing some knowledge. I know I sometimes come across a little brash, but its not my intent. There's a ton of people out there not only new to the spyder but new to the whole motorcycle thing too.
I appreciate the input but the difference in the shifting is so dramatic that I'm going with it. Spyderwoman
 
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