new guy with questions

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evoluzione

Discussion Starter · Oct 14, 2007

hi, just found this site and see there is a lot of good information. i am looking for some feedback but first some background:

when i first found out about the spyders in february, i instantly went online to brp and asked to be on the list. in march i received a call from a local dealer who told me that they were the ones that would handle my order. i ended up ordering two units (one for r&d) and was told that i had to leave a $2500 deposit on each ($5000 total). i questioned what the total priice would be and was assured there were no additional "dealer mark-ups." fast forward to today - i stop by the dealer to check status and am told that they were shipped on the 10th and should be here in a week. great i say, let's do the paperwork right now. ten minutes later it is all written up but the total is almost $40k! i ask for a breakdown and they are charging almost $3k per bike for delivery ($1600) and setup ($1300). i look the sales guy in the eye and ask him point blank about the charges - he claims that is what brp charges them. i then ask to see the sales manager and he tells me the same thing (something about the bikes arrive in huge containers and have to to have the front end assembled by the dealer).

my question - is this really accurate? i find it hard to believe that they roll the bikes off the assembly line and then disassemble them to crate them up. i also find it hard to believe that it costs $1600 to ship them to southern california. has anyone in sourthern california actually paid for their bike and knows what the costs really are?

regards,

ken zeller

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bps725

· #2 · Oct 14, 2007

I paid for mine and it was
14999.00 Spyder
149.00 Assembly
449.00 Freight
plus tax and that was to Florida

I hate to say it but maybe someone saw you coming

evoluzione

Discussion Starter · #3 · Oct 14, 2007

BPS725 said:
I paid for mine and it was
14999.00 Spyder
149.00 Assembly
449.00 Freight
plus tax and that was to Florida

I hate to say it but maybe someone saw you coming

thanks for the info. i haven't paid for anything yet - told them i was going to verify the numbers with brp first. i just thought that it would help to see what everyone else was being charged (though i would imagine shipping to florida would be cheaper than california).

regards,

ken zeller

Diamondback

· #4 · Oct 14, 2007

To start with, the deposit should have only been $1000 each. That is all BRP required and the process is for the dealer to collect from you at time of order and then forward the deposit on. There would be some assembly required but there sounds like WAY too much built in for PDI and setup. I doubt it would cost 3K each to ship and set up in Alaska! In fact you could buy in Canada for less...the irony of a US citizen buying in Canada right now to save money.

Rokonman

· #5 · Oct 14, 2007

Diamondback said:
To start with, the deposit should have only been $1000 each. That is all BRP required and the process is for the dealer to collect from you at time of order and then forward the deposit on. There would be some assembly required but there sounds like WAY too much built in for PDI and setup. I doubt it would cost 3K each to ship and set up in Alaska! In fact you could buy in Canada for less...the irony of a US citizen buying in Canada right now to save money.

I missed the math on this one. The US Canadian dollar is worth 1.02 USdollars and the selling price for the Spyder in Canada is higher...so you convert the US dollar to Canadian dollars at the rate of 1.02 so you loose 2% on that then pay a higher price for the SPYDER in Canada. Why would anyone want to do that? I can see a Canadian buying in the US but not the other way round.

nvr2l8

· #6 · Oct 14, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

Mr. Zeller,
Most of us are walking out the door with our Spyders for between $16,000 to $16,750, roughly. A few of the luckier ones received an even better price but the amount your reporting is far above ANY figure I've heard. A good $3,500 more per bike. I would seriously consider shopping for another dealer or get to the bottom of such a high final cost.
The best of luck to you.

http://www.can-amtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1341
Just select the link above and have a look.

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dltang

· #7 · Oct 14, 2007

Hi,
I'm in Michigan and here is the info directly off my invoice. I ordered silver.
Sales Price $14999
Freight & Setup $600
Sales Tax $899.94
License & Title fees $28.00

Total out the door was $16526.94

Now my husband paid an extra $300 for the yellow one and because of that his sales tax was $18.00 more so his total out the door was $16844.94

Also here is a whole thread on out the door pricing http://www.can-amtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1341

You my friend are being lied to and robbed it appears.

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evoluzione

Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 14, 2007

thanks for all the feedback. one thing though is that different regions tend to have different prices - southern california always tends to be higher. that is why i was looking for someone in southern california that had already paid for their spyder. i did send off an e-mail to brp last night - not sure they can do anything but thought they should know what one of their dealers is doing. the real frustrating part about this is that brp sent my order to this dealer as they were the only one at the time. they claimed all along they couldn't give me a final price until they received the invoice from brp (makes sense) but now they know that with demand so high, that if i go somewhere else i will have to wait six months (and they will just move to the next two customers who will jump at getting their's now as opposed to waiting until later).

regards,

ken zeller

Way2Fast

· #9 · Oct 14, 2007

Tell your dealer that you want to see a copy of the invoice. Tell him that if the factory invoice lists the freight as what he told you it was, you'll gladly pay it...if not you will get the Spyder for free !! Watch them try to back out of the lies they told you. The freight charge is the same to all states. It is included as part of the final dealer invoice price. The setup charges are up to the dealer, there is no set amount so many stealers use it to rip people off. Others don't charge anything as their profit margin should easily cover it.

MDR

· #10 · Oct 14, 2007

evoluzione said:
thanks for all the feedback. one thing though is that different regions tend to have different prices - southern california always tends to be higher. that is why i was looking for someone in southern california that had already paid for their spyder. i did send off an e-mail to brp last night - not sure they can do anything but thought they should know what one of their dealers is doing. the real frustrating part about this is that brp sent my order to this dealer as they were the only one at the time. they claimed all along they couldn't give me a final price until they received the invoice from brp (makes sense) but now they know that with demand so high, that if i go somewhere else i will have to wait six months (and they will just move to the next two customers who will jump at getting their's now as opposed to waiting until later).
regards,

ken zeller

MDR

· #11 · Oct 14, 2007

Hey Ken,

I wanted to respond as I bought the Spyder in So. Cal and had a similar experience. When I first test road the Spyder months ago, I was quoted a price (including everything--taxes, freight, etc.) of around $16,800. When I finally decided to make the purchase, and went back to the original dealer, the price had gone up to around $19,500. Other California dealers are quoting prices all over the place. They use the same reasons you mentioned--delivery, set-up, etc. As you already know, this is simply not true. They are jacking up the prices in So. Cal because we have year-round riding and people willing to pay a premium. I was able to negotiate a deal close to the original price, but it was a complicated (and unfortunately unique) process. All you can probably do now is call around to all of the California dealers and see if you can get a break for buying two Spyders--or wait until next year when they may not be able to get away with a premium surcharge.

Good luck!

bjt

· #12 · Oct 16, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

I would hope that Can-am might check into and do something about this as, in the end, it could give them a bad rep. In my opinion what that dealer is doing is not much different than those people who were trying to sell preordered Spyders on eBay. It seems like someone, maybe Can-Am, put a stop to that.

Now, on the other side of the coin, this is a free market and demand will dictate price. If they came out up front and said that you may pay a premium to get the first ones, that would be one thing. However, it sounds like they were planning on milking this for as much as they could by claiming that they wouldn't be able to give you a firm price until now. If they would have put down the price on paper when you ordered them, it would be difficult for them to try to get more from you now. So they wait to see how "hot" they are going to be, then jack up the price through unverifiable setup fees and shipping charges. It sounds to me like you are stuck with a shady dealer and your choice may only be to try and get your deposit back and find another dealer or pay their premium price.

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evoluzione

Discussion Starter · #13 · Oct 17, 2007

as an update, the dealer decided he would cut me a break since i was buying two units and only charge me $1500 for freight/pdi (each bike). i then decided to call five other so. cal. dealers and found the freight/pdi ranged from $1250 to $2300. i also recieved a call from brp customer service and they said they had recieved similar complaints from other so. cal. customers. they were looking into it but that there was nothing in the dealer contracts that precluded them from doing this so there was no action that they could take.

my suggestion to all of you who already have deposits is to verify the final price with your dealer. if they try to take advantage of you (and you are further down on the list), you may be able to find another dealer who would appreciate you as a customer. remember, the $1000 deposit is with brp, not the dealer (as confirmed by brp customer service).

quantumleap

· #14 · Oct 17, 2007

My paperwork when I signed on and left a deposit,

Spyder - 14,999 - subject to change based on color, No more than $500.
Shipping and prep/setup - $500
Doc fee - $75
Title paperwork - $25
Sales tax $620 - roughly (5% of selling price after deposit.)

This cant be changed, In Ma, It is a signed contract between the dealer and myself. The dealer though is gladly honering it with no issues.

mrfix

· #15 · Oct 17, 2007

Charles said:
My paperwork when I signed on and left a deposit,

Spyder - 14,999 - subject to change based on color, No more than $500.
Shipping and prep/setup - $500
Doc fee - $75
Title paperwork - $25
Sales tax $620 - roughly (5% of selling price after deposit.)

This cant be changed, In Ma, It is a signed contract between the dealer and myself. The dealer though is gladly honering it with no issues.

Charles, I'm from Mass also, the sales tax is $749.95 not $620.00.

evoluzione

Discussion Starter · #16 · Oct 17, 2007

again, i'm not debating that others in other states have good deals. the problem centers around the california dealers. i have not seen anyone post verified, reasonable shipping/pdi costs from a california dealer.

mrfix

· #17 · Oct 17, 2007

Charles said:
Hi Mrfixit,

it would be if your dealer writes it up that you purchased it for 14,999. But if the dealer writes it up removing your deposits off the price, then you pay sales tax on what the "purchase price" is which in my case would be the 15499 - 3000, so the selling price of the spyder is 12499, according to all paperwork that will be submitted to the DMV for registration

where did you get yours from and,,, have you heard anything, my dealer is tellling me any day now!! to expect the call saying it is in!!!

Charles, don't be posting that, it's illegal to not include the deposit in the purchase price unless it's a trade in therefore the trade in valvue is not taxable, the cash deposit is a money transaction and the cash tendered is taxable in Mass.
I bought from Flamingo Motor Sports in Palmer Mass.

quantumleap

· #18 · Oct 17, 2007

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Danimal

· #19 · Oct 28, 2007

"my suggestion to all of you who already have deposits is to verify the final price with your dealer."

If you have a signed contract for a certain price when you left your deposit then they can't change that. If you gave your deposit without something in writing... well..... momma always said.......

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