First Run Production This Fall 600 or 2500?

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gunsmoke357

Discussion Starter · Jun 28, 2007

I have been talking to a local dealer who has two Spyders left that they can
order.They are telling me if I place the order now I will have it this fall.
What I have read here and other places on the net that the first 600 will
be shipped to the USA this fall and that number has long been passed,and
the rest will be shipped after the first of the year maybe even spring.

When I go to Spyder website it states-
The first Spyder roadsters will be delivered to selected authorized North
American dealers in fall of 2007.
Maybe I missed the numbers,If I have to wait till March I think I will wait
to order.

Can any of you tell me what is fact or fiction?
I am on the fence on this one.

Thanks

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Shane

· #2 · Jun 28, 2007

CANDO said:
I have been talking to a local dealer who has two Spyders left that they can
order.They are telling me if I place the order now I will have it this fall.
What I have read here and other places on the net that the first 600 will
be shipped to the USA this fall and that number has long been passed,and
the rest will be shipped after the first of the year maybe even spring.

When I go to Spyder website it states-
The first Spyder roadsters will be delivered to selected authorized North
American dealers in fall of 2007.
Maybe I missed the numbers,If I have to wait till March I think I will wait
to order.

Can any of you tell me what is fact or fiction?
I am on the fence on this one.

Thanks

The second hand information I have received indicates Can-Am committed to its initial 600 Spyders, for delivery this fall, on a first deposit, first delivery basis. That means that if a dealership took, and forwarded, more deposits than their "initial allocation," other units of the first 600 were re-allocated from dealers who had not yet forwarded their deposits. I've heard of one case on this site where a member was the first to make a deposit at his dealership, only to recevie a confirmation of a 900 series serial number, indicating a spring delivery.

So the two the dealer still "has" to order may be a part of the initial first year run, but not the first 600.

There are members more tied into BRP than me on this site. Perhaps BPS725 or Rob's Performance Motorsports could shed some more light on this subject.

okverne

· #3 · Jun 30, 2007

when i ordered mine, the dealer gave me a "certificate" that stated when my Spyder is guaranteed to arrive, no later than March 31, 2008. They said that when Can-Am gets to 2500 units, then the delivery date will get changed to May 31, 2008...

NEXUS

· #4 · Jul 1, 2007

Shane said:
The second hand information I have received indicates Can-Am committed to its initial 600 Spyders, for delivery this fall, on a first deposit, first delivery basis. That means that if a dealership took, and forwarded, more deposits than their "initial allocation," other units of the first 600 were re-allocated from dealers who had not yet forwarded their deposits. I've heard of one case on this site where a member was the first to make a deposit at his dealership, only to recevie a confirmation of a 900 series serial number, indicating a spring delivery.

So the two the dealer still "has" to order may be a part of the initial first year run, but not the first 600.

There are members more tied into BRP than me on this site. Perhaps BPS725 or Rob's Performance Motorsports could shed some more light on this subject.

My story is similar to the one that Shane had heard, I put a deposit on one in early May and didn't receive my Pre-Order Certificate/Worksheet until almost June. I called the BRP factory direct line a couple weeks ago and talk to a person named Pierre. He was pretty vague about delivery basically told me that I had test drove was a prototype and this was a work in progress. What he did say that the first 2500 would receive an authorized production plaque and a first owners jacket. What he said about the delivery was that the the "initial allocations" would be delivered first.

Now what I suggest you if you haven't ordered yet you might want to give a call to BRP(1-888-864-2002 ) maybe they can let you know if your dealer has met thier initial allocation yet. That still doesn't mean you won't get it before spring but you may have a better shot if you're in the first ones ordered. I have read that some dealers are already taken orders for the next allocation.

If my work order numbers right I'm in the 1300s I'm hoping before a Christmas delivery maybe. If any BRP Can-Am representatives read this it would be nice if you could give the people who have put down $1000 deposit later on a letter when they might receive their Spyder.Anyway it would be in the best interests to get as many out there you can before the next spring motorcycle fever season.

NEXUS

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Way2Fast

· #5 · Jul 2, 2007 (Edited by Moderator)

[quote name='NEXUS' date='Jul 1 2007, 08:10 PM' post='6100']
My story is similar to the one that Shane had heard, I put a deposit on one in early May and didn't receive my Pre-Order Certificate/Worksheet until almost June. I called the BRP factory direct line a couple weeks ago and talk to a person named Pierre. He was pretty vague about delivery basically told me that I had test drove was a prototype and this was a work in progress. What he did say that the first 2500 would receive an authorized production plaque and a first owners jacket. What he said about the delivery was that the the "initial allocations" would be delivered first.

Now what I suggest you if you haven't ordered yet you might want to give a call to BRP(1-888-864-2002 ) maybe they can let you know if your dealer has met thier initial allocation yet. That still doesn't mean you won't get it before spring but you may have a better shot if you're in the first ones ordered. I have read that some dealers are already taken orders for the next allocation.

If my work order numbers right I'm in the 1300s I'm hoping before a Christmas delivery maybe. If any BRP Can-Am representatives read this it would be nice if you could give the people who have put down $1000 deposit later on a letter when they might receive their Spyder.Anyway it would be in the best interests to get as many out there you can before the next spring motorcycle fever season.

NEXUS
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I ordered my Spyder mid April. I was assured by the dealer that I would be getting one of their first 8 allotted units. When I got the VIN number it was 655....so it appears that I won't be getting one of the first 600 scheduled for early fall delivery after all.

Richard

Shane

· #6 · Jul 2, 2007

NEXUS said:
My story is similar to the one that Shane had heard, I put a deposit on one in early May and didn't receive my Pre-Order Certificate/Worksheet until almost June. I called the BRP factory direct line a couple weeks ago and talk to a person named Pierre. He was pretty vague about delivery basically told me that I had test drove was a prototype and this was a work in progress. What he did say that the first 2500 would receive an authorized production plaque and a first owners jacket. What he said about the delivery was that the the "initial allocations" would be delivered first.

Now what I suggest you if you haven't ordered yet you might want to give a call to BRP(1-888-864-2002 ) maybe they can let you know if your dealer has met thier initial allocation yet. That still doesn't mean you won't get it before spring but you may have a better shot if you're in the first ones ordered. I have read that some dealers are already taken orders for the next allocation.

If my work order numbers right I'm in the 1300s I'm hoping before a Christmas delivery maybe. If any BRP Can-Am representatives read this it would be nice if you could give the people who have put down $1000 deposit later on a letter when they might receive their Spyder.Anyway it would be in the best interests to get as many out there you can before the next spring motorcycle fever season.

NEXUS

If my information is correct, BRP should be producing approximately 10 units a day starting around June 1st. If that is the case, given a five-day-a-week production schedule, BRP should produce about 200 a month. The first 600 would then be produced by the beginning of September. Then it is only a matter of getting them delivered to the dealerships and prepped for customer delivery (however long that will take). Following these numbers, The beginning of December should see completion of approx. 1200 units, with 1300 following about half way through the month. Given the need to add shipping and prep time, I would be surprised if you see your Spyder before the new year.

That being said, all this is contingent upon what little information that has leaked out of BRP being accurate. And that is a big if. I've never seen a company so bent on keeping its customers in the dark. That and the fact that BRP reminded you what you rode was a prototype makes me wonder if BRP isn't positioning themselves to push back delivery if need be.

I'm curious Nexus, do you have any idea how many units your dealer was "allocated" from the first batch, and what number deposit you were in the group?

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NEXUS

· #7 · Jul 3, 2007

Shane said:
If my information is correct, BRP should be producing approximately 10 units a day starting around June 1st. If that is the case, given a five-day-a-week production schedule, BRP should produce about 200 a month. The first 600 would then be produced by the beginning of September. Then it is only a matter of getting them delivered to the dealerships and prepped for customer delivery (however long that will take). Following these numbers, The beginning of December should see completion of approx. 1200 units, with 1300 following about half way through the month. Given the need to add shipping and prep time, I would be surprised if you see your Spyder before the new year.

That being said, all this is contingent upon what little information that has leaked out of BRP being accurate. And that is a big if. I've never seen a company so bent on keeping its customers in the dark. That and the fact that BRP reminded you what you rode was a prototype makes me wonder if BRP isn't positioning themselves to push back delivery if need be.

I'm curious Nexus, do you have any idea how many units your dealer was "allocated" from the first batch, and what number deposit you were in the group?

When I originally first started looking for one in late April the local dealer told me that all of theirs had deposits on them. So I called around and found another dealer about 150 miles away who still had their initial allocation of four. Now it seems that that number changes from dealer to dealer depending maybe on size and previous sales of BRP products. I have found dealers who had eight or 16 but the ones with 16 had more than one dealership.My dealer only had 4 and I was the first one who had put down a deposit as far as I know.

(I had wished I had gotten on this train a little sooner after reading all the people that went to California on the VIP tour I'm still little envious.)

The other day I went to the Can Am website and counted the dealers they had listed in the United States and Canada in the US there is 112, Canada 25 = 137 I probably missed a few numbers and might not be right.I think they advertise 150 total for North America even at that number is over 16 per dealer to equal to 2500.Now if you use 150 dealers X four per dealer = 600.Of course all this is wishful thinking I can't speed things up no more than anybody else can.A company of this size already know that they're going to do.

Right now I'm not putting a lot of faith in the Pre-Order Certificate/Worksheet Number because the numbers don't really add up also some people who bought there is a lot earlier than me have a number above 600.
From what I was told I would think as Pierre told me that the first initial allocations would be delivered first.
I have yet to read anything from BRP officially that is contrary to that.

Again I say this to BRP officials who read these things throw us a bone.

NEXUS

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draboo

· #8 · Jul 3, 2007

I have a suspicion that it doesn't matter how many each dealer is allocated for Sept delivery. I think it all depends on how fast each dealer registers each deposit with BRP. The sooner the registration is authenticated by BRP,the higher up on the delivery list one will be.

I think all the numbers are fed into a Spyder database and the list is made by registration dates,not by numbers of machines each dealer has been given by BRP for Sept delivery.

That would give a reason for some dealers to have their "Fall delivery" machines suddenly not be available till spring.

bps725

· #9 · Jul 4, 2007

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What can I say…..? okay not much that I can be happy with. Yes I was one of those that walked into the dealership and was told "If you want a Spyder and you want one of the first 600 then you have to put up your deposit (non-refundable) today. I asked about the statement of not getting it until March 2008 and I was told that that was incase there were production problems, but don't worry this will get you one of the first 600. Oh the intrigue and trill. I found out the lies later but still the dealer said "no you have one of the first 600". Now as I type this I know more and I know different. I know my dealership never even had a shot at getting one of the first 600 units because they were sold before they even began selling their units. But now I have a unit on order, accessories (a lot) on order and a dealership that just says "we don't know anything". Whos fault is it that all the units were gone when I bought mine? Well I think "I" and everyone else should have been told and not given the line of " You want one of the first 600 units" I realize business is business but openness is all I asked for… and honesty. I have another dealer that lied about the names on the purchases just to reserve some of the first units. Okay not fair but they know how to play this game that we are all wondering about now.

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Way2Fast

· #10 · Jul 4, 2007

I have inside information that any dealer caught charging over MSRP or reserving Spyders in ficticious names will NOT be getting any of the initial production run. BRP frowns on these practices !

Richard

bps725

· #11 · Jul 4, 2007

Way2Fast said:
I have inside information that any dealer caught charging over MSRP or reserving Spyders in ficticious names will NOT be getting any of the initial production run. BRP frowns on these practices !
Richard

They (BRP) can frown all they like but lets face it....its happening!!! I was told if I paid just a little more I could get bike XXX which was under the first 600 after I bought somewhere else. This is what started me looking into where I was in the production lineup and why! They (BRP) are in this to sale bikes so not delivering bikes to a dealership "that now" have legitamate buyers can not work. Remember, your contract that you sighted is really with the dealership not BRP. I don't have the answers at all and it doesn't look like I will any time soon. BRP is being quiet about all this, I do understand this all but I also understand...SOMETHING STINKS. We should have been told where we stood at the time of leaving or deposit. I know it would have effected my purchase though is that what they tried to stop??????

NORTHWESTERN

· #12 · Jul 6, 2007

BPS725 said:
They (BRP) can frown all they like but lets face it....its happening!!! I was told if I paid just a little more I could get bike XXX which was under the first 600 after I bought somewhere else. This is what started me looking into where I was in the production lineup and why! They (BRP) are in this to sale bikes so not delivering bikes to a dealership "that now" have legitamate buyers can not work. Remember, your contract that you sighted is really with the dealership not BRP. I don't have the answers at all and it doesn't look like I will any time soon. BRP is being quiet about all this, I do understand this all but I also understand...SOMETHING STINKS. We should have been told where we stood at the time of leaving or deposit. I know it would have effected my purchase though is that what they tried to stop??????

Well after reading all this it got me worried about my delivery so I call my dealer today and they assured me
that mine was one of the first ones even though my number on that there worksheet is a above 600.So I called the Spyder Hotline
and they tell me that the number on the worksheet did mean nothing about when it would be delivered and they seem to be
quite annoyed about being asked the same question and all that about the numbers was jest hearsay and rumors.
Now they did say was that the dealers who still have some left from their first quota would be taken away soon if they didn't
get deposits and given to other dealers who could. Now my dealer told me that they still have a yellow one left of the first ones and
if they didn't get deposits soon they would lose it. So if anyone out there is still looking for one on the first-order call
Mid Atlantic Marine -Warsaw Virginia-Phone: 804-333-3379 -Ask For -Virginia Jenkins, they'll treat you right.

MAVERICK

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Shane

· #13 · Jul 6, 2007

MAVERICK said:
Well after reading all this it got me worried about my delivery so I call my dealer today and they assured me
that mine was one of the first ones even though my number on that there worksheet is a above 600.So I called the Spyder Hotline
and they tell me that the number on the worksheet did mean nothing about when it would be delivered and they seem to be
quite annoyed about being asked the same question and all that about the numbers was jest hearsay and rumors.
Now they did say was that the dealers who still have some left from their first quota would be taken away soon if they didn't
get deposits and given to other dealers who could. Now my dealer told me that they still have a yellow one left of the first ones and
if they didn't get deposits soon they would lose it. So if anyone out there is still looking for one on the first-order call
Mid Atlantic Marine -Warsaw Virginia-Phone: 804-333-3379 -Ask For -Virginia Jenkins, they'll treat you right.

MAVERICK

I spoke to a local dealer as well, one who I trust and who has been quite forthcoming everytime I've had a question, and he was adamant that, having just had a meeting with the regional rep two days before, that they would receive their initial fall shipments, all six they were allocated, in October.

The Spyder Hotline guys can be annoyed all they want, that is what a hotline is about, right? Getting answers. I spoke with the hotline as well and got a similar attitude. Hey, if they are so annoyed, and they are getting the same question asked over and over again, where is the press release squashing all the rumors? I know they check my site on a regular basis, and I suspect they would be checking here as well. A simple post here, or an email to me would go a long way towards quieting this issue.

Or maybe that is it. They figure the controversy is good in that it gets people talking. Though I've already spoken to people looking to get out from under their deposits because of all the uncertainty.

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Way2Fast

· #14 · Jul 6, 2007

The way I understood it is that the number assigned to the worksheet will be part of the serial number of the vehicle you will receive. If they start with the last digets being all zeros, number 600 will be the last unit made in the initial production run. I don't buy the info that "the numbers mean nothing". There is no guarantee when the Spyder will be delivered, but someone with a low 300 number is sure to get his before someone with a 700 number !

Richard

Diamondback

· #15 · Jul 7, 2007

I looked at my BRP "worksheet" and there is a model number, but not an obvious serial number. Perhaps I am not looking in the correct part of the form. Im surprised that there would be a serial number already. When you snowcheck a sled there is no SN available until its at the dealership. Maybe the US order form/worksheets are different.

Way2Fast

· #16 · Jul 7, 2007

When the dealer calls in the worksheet, BRP assigns an authorization number that begins with a "Y" (example Y00655). I think that the last part of this number will become the serial (VIN) of the bike when it is built. The plaque that you will receive as one of the first Spyder owners will have this number engraved on it along with your name.

Richard

okverne

· #17 · Jul 9, 2007

my dealer said that BRP addressed the questions regarding any link between "authorization" number (Y00655) and actual serial number of the bike, and that there is no correlation, the "authorization" number is a random number...

Way2Fast

· #18 · Jul 10, 2007

okverne said:
my dealer said that BRP addressed the questions regarding any link between "authorization" number (Y00655) and actual serial number of the bike, and that there is no correlation, the "authorization" number is a random number...

I wouldn't believe much of anything the dealers say....time will tell, I guess !!

quantumleap

· #19 · Jul 18, 2007

Greetings, I am new to this board and have been reading the listings. I know from the begining, back in Feb when this was announced, I liked it, I did some digging and found a dealer who said they would be selling them prior to the list comming out. Yes, I plunked down 1500 on it the last week of Feb. I have not seen truly a "work sheet" from the dealer. What I do know is that my dealer seems to be connected well with BRP. I was told that all the first run 2500 would recieve a jacket, plaque. I was also told that 600 would be delivered in September, That a second round would be delivered in February and the final shipment of the first 2500 in April 2008. All this was told to me back in April and it is still holding true. My dealer also stated that dealers are getting 3 spyders for the first shipment for the fall delivery. Dealers I have spoken to here in MA have sold upwards to 15 spyders each, on I know has sold more than 20. Still though, they only antcipate 3 on the first run, the remainder to be delivered after april 2008 as full production models and not the limited. My dealer put in for either color for all 3 bikes to get them quicker as he put it. I have been told and shown order paperwork at this point that I have the number 1 bike from this dealer, and that he sold all 3 of his first run bikes in 2 days. My dealer has been extreemly up front with me, very pleasent, has made courtisy calls to me and has won over my business totally. I gave him a quick shout on the work sheet numbers. I Found out that the numbers have no bearing on when you will get it, That serial numbers are assigned as they are picked from the MFG and packed up. The bikes are produced, tested, and as shipments are sent out and orders are picked, they are serialized, Plaques will follow the bike, but not come with the bike. Just as Jackets proceeded the bike and did not come with the bike. My dealer also tells me he will know a week to a week and a half prior to shipping, the ship date and arrival date. Glad I jumped on board early!!!!!

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MHOGAN

· #20 · Jul 18, 2007

Wish I could say the same for my dealer. Seems to me that it's all just too much trouble for them to bother with. No follow-up calls, no call stating the Jacket was in and just not that friendly of a dealership.

I live in MD. and due to MD's description of what a motorcycle is. The MD. dealership for BRP won't be receiving any Spyders as part of the first shipment. It's a technicality that will prevent anyone from registering a Spyder in MD. until the wording is amended. Soooo, those Spyders slated for the MD. dealership are off to other locations. I had no choice but to look in VA. for one and settle on that dealership if I wanted one sooner as opposed to later.

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