I am scheduled to get my Spyder in Kalamazoo in March. Barring bad weather (although I can use my electric clothes with the optional accessory socket, and I also ordered the 14" windshield), any thoughts on if I should RIDE back to Pittsburgh on small roads, or trailer it home and break it in here?
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Welcome to the site trentden. Good question on break-in, not sure. But independent of that, I would probably opt to trailer it home because of Great Lakes snow and crappy Spring roads. Get it home clean and break it in on nice Spring days in PA.
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trentden . .
I would not think it would be a good idea to ride back. I have always been taught that prolonged periods at a constant speed are not healthy during break-in. I assume that you would experience that type of scenario on your ride back home.
I second the trailer recommendation.
Just my thought . .
I would not think it would be a good idea to ride back. I have always been taught that prolonged periods at a constant speed are not healthy during break-in. I assume that you would experience that type of scenario on your ride back home.
I second the trailer recommendation.
Just my thought . .
It's entirely up to you as long as your able to vary the RPM somewhat. As stated above, constant speed or rpm levels tend to (wear) the engine in at one particular rpm range. The idea being that you provide an (overall) wearing in of the engine. Think of it like only focusing on your legs during a workout. You want all of you at your best not just one portion. Make any sense?
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I myself have been wondering about the initial break-in period for the Rotax engine
my dealer is over 150 miles away, mostly interstate highway between me and them
I am now considering purchasing a trailer just for this trike. Not only just to get it back home,
but in the future in case I need to haul it back to the dealer for some problem or so.
Does anybody out there know the exact width , outside outside of tires and length front to back?
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I measured the width. It is 61" at the widest point. I didn't measure the length, but the spec sheet says 105"...then again the spec sheet claims the OL width is 59.3". I wanted to know if it would fit on a U-Haul bike trailer. It's going to be close ?? I didn't get to measure the trailer yet. I'd rather trailer it home so I can go over it with a fine comb, check the bolt's for tightness, and break it in properly..not on the interstate ride home. I had a new Harley V-rod and found the bolts that hold the front tire onto the fork to only be finger tight...can't trust the dealers to do anything right.
When did you take your test drive???
When I did the test drive this summer there was someone from Pittsburgh who bought one in Kalamazoo also. I was told I don't get mine until January 2008.
Are you getting your spyder sooner?
I would use a trailer instead of riding it that far....
Particlemen there is very right.
A brand new engine needs a certain time to run in, to match piston rings with cylinders, gear vs. counter gear , etc.
Given a new engine you want to have somwhat a winding road a head of you with many load changes. meaning acceleration - deceleration conditions. The more load changes ( soft RPMs in the first 300 miles - no WOT) over the break in periode then better. It gives time to the rings to break in good and seal better. a good broken in engine does life longer - performs better over time..
If I would take now a brand new zero miles engine and nail that thing for 100miles wide open ( closed circuit ) I would create right away increased hot gas blow by because my piston rings are brand new and have not accomodated to the Cylinder profile yet. - NOT GOOD - because that hot gas could lower piston skirt lubrication - increase wear - in the worst case cause some durability issues in the long run:deadhorse:
Do you feel from where I am coming? Give it time - a engine is like a love relation - you want it to last - you give it some time - smooth - acceleration - deceleration - give the girl time to warm up .
The ever so watchfull Rotax God - loving father over his children.
Here is a slightly (read completely) different position on how to break in a new engine. I'm not taking this position but this fella wrote a book on the subject and explains the reasons for his process. http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
well i beleive in the break-in method..drive it hard on & off the gas,quick burst and engine braking (down shifting) etc just as he states.. but not sure about the oil change to something other than stated by brp..
any one else have any thought's about break in ? i've always broke in engines hard ,and have had good luck..
any one else have any thought's about break in ? i've always broke in engines hard ,and have had good luck..
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See page 8 of the Operator's Guide for Can-am's advice.
I'd like to know what they consider "prolonged riding"...and if there is a way to ride it home from the dealer (500+ miles) without hurting the engine...like riding at varied rpms and stopping periodically for a break, etc.
I'd like to know what they consider "prolonged riding"...and if there is a way to ride it home from the dealer (500+ miles) without hurting the engine...like riding at varied rpms and stopping periodically for a break, etc.
i gonna trailer mine home the 90 miles from dealer.then i'am gonna ride it fairley hard ..short burst of
speed and deaccelaration like stated in earlier post. its always worked for me.... but dont think i'll changethe oil as he recommended.will change oil at about 50 mi of break in
Just a thought.....
Any good snowmobile trailer would work...maybe you have a friend who has one. I have a 6,500 lb.trailer for my tracter that should work. I've always been one to trust the manufactuer's recommendations. Not as likely to get into warranty issues. If you look at it, most of the ways are similar, load and unload, keep rpms under control etc. I think I'll follow BRP's oil change recomendation. I think bringing it home first sound like the way to go...especially if you have a lot of interstate travel.
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Any good snowmobile trailer would work...maybe you have a friend who has one. I have a 6,500 lb.trailer for my tracter that should work. I've always been one to trust the manufactuer's recommendations. Not as likely to get into warranty issues. If you look at it, most of the ways are similar, load and unload, keep rpms under control etc. I think I'll follow BRP's oil change recomendation. I think bringing it home first sound like the way to go...especially if you have a lot of interstate travel.
Just a thought for those planning to break in the engine "their own way" and not by BRP's. The ECU (Electronic Control Unit) keeps a record of the RPM, speed, hours etc. When the dealer plugs it into his computer he has a history of how the machinre was operated. If you have engine warranty issues and they see that you didn't follow proper break in proceedure, your warranty might suddenly be null and void.
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I am finding a lot of agreement to this. One person is a mechanical engineer who designs and breaks in motors all the time. Get it through the RPMs and don't hold it consistent seems to be the key.
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Rotax God is dead on with his comments
Particlemen there is very right.
A brand new engine needs a certain time to run in, to match piston rings with cylinders, gear vs. counter gear , etc.
Given a new engine you want to have somwhat a winding road a head of you with many load changes. meaning acceleration - deceleration conditions. The more load changes ( soft RPMs in the first 300 miles - no WOT) over the break in periode then better. It gives time to the rings to break in good and seal better. a good broken in engine does life longer - performs better over time..
If I would take now a brand new zero miles engine and nail that thing for 100miles wide open ( closed circuit ) I would create right away increased hot gas blow by because my piston rings are brand new and have not accomodated to the Cylinder profile yet. - NOT GOOD - because that hot gas could lower piston skirt lubrication - increase wear - in the worst case cause some durability issues in the long run:deadhorse:
Do you feel from where I am coming? Give it time - a engine is like a love relation - you want it to last - you give it some time - smooth - acceleration - deceleration - give the girl time to warm up .
The ever so watchfull Rotax God - loving father over his children.![]()
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I'll be taking delivery from a dealer in Buffalo, NY, 240 miles from my home in Pittsburgh. Unless it is snowing I plan to fly up there and ride home on secondary roads (with my 1 piece Aerostich over my Gerbing jacket, plugged in!). Of course I'll need to ride right back there for the 625 mile checkup. I think that may stretch a bit.
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I live 45 minutes from the Buffalo airport. I could possibly pick you up and take you to your dealer if the timing worked out. Keep it in mind.
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Marc:
Thanks for the offer. First I need to get a call from Buck's that the machine is ready for me. I don't have much confidence that will be anytime soon. Although, Jan told me there are a number of guys who do NOT to take delivery in mid-winter, and that might slide me up sooner. Who knows!
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