[Reclusespyder]

Tharkun#409, on Aug 25 2008, 12:27 PM, said:

You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. The difference as I see it is my opinion as for the appearance/design of the fairing is supported by several thousands of responses from the public in 8 different states now. Events such as Sturgis and the Walt Grey are two examples, it is amazing that the public has the opposite response to the fairing that some of the current owners of a Spyder have.

As for customer satisfaction, Corbin is no different/better than any other manufacturer, they will never have 100% customer satisfaction. Where your opinion and mine vary is that I have seen, talked with, observed hundreds if not a few thousand of the satisfied customers, and if they were not the majority, Corbin would have not managed to stay in business for 40 years at this point.

Sorry to disagree once again. Seeking opinions on Corbin products while standing outside the Corbin hauler is hardly an unbiased response. I on the other hand do not seek out any response on Corbin products and get them offered. Most are negative.
Corbin's customer service is the worse I have ever seen. There are those that are equally bad but none worse. The fact that he stays in business doesn't mean anything. There is a new sucker born every minute and I was one of them. I just chose not to be silent about it while others are probably too embarrassed about wasting their money to say anything.

Now this is an aside. I met a Harley rider in Southern Oregon who was looking over my bike. He said he had just come back from the plant where they make the Spyder. When I questioned him about where he had been he had been to Hollister. Guess Where? They told him they were making the Spyder there. '

I put my arm around his shoulder and explained to him as gently as I could that if Corbin were building these bikes they would cost $150 k , weigh two tons and probably make a lot of noise while not moving. I find it funny that someone who can't make a faring takes responsibility for a fine example of engineering like the Can Am Spyder.

And for those of you who don't like the looks of the Fairing, don't look, don't buy one. We live in the USA dude and that is what is all about.

This post has been edited by Reclusespyder: 25 August 2008 - 12:42 PM

[Marc]

Good God man. Sell your fairing and move on. Life's short.

Reclusespyder, on Aug 25 2008, 01:40 PM, said:

Sorry to disagree once again. Seeking opinions on Corbin products while standing outside the Corbin hauler is hardly an unbiased response. I on the other hand do not seek out any response on Corbin products and get them offered. Most are negative.
Corbin's customer service is the worse I have ever seen. There are those that are equally bad but none worse. The fact that he stays in business doesn't mean anything. There is a new sucker born every minute and I was one of them. I just chose not to be silent about it while others are probably too embarrassed about wasting their money to say anything.

Now this is an aside. I met a Harley rider in Southern Oregon who was looking over my bike. He said he had just come back from the plant where they make the Spyder. When I questioned him about where he had been he had been to Hollister. Guess Where? They told him they were making the Spyder there. '

I put my arm around his shoulder and explained to him as gently as I could that if Corbin were building these bikes they would cost $150 k , weigh two tons and probably make a lot of noise while not moving. I find it funny that someone who can't make a faring takes responsibility for a fine example of engineering like the Can Am Spyder.

And for those of you who don't like the looks of the Fairing, don't look, don't buy one. We live in the USA dude and that is what is all about.

[MSGT-R]

Reclusespyder, on Aug 25 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

Now this is an aside. I met a Harley rider in Southern Oregon who was looking over my bike. He said he had just come back from the plant where they make the Spyder. When I questioned him about where he had been he had been to Hollister. Guess Where? They told him they were making the Spyder there. '

As an MSF instructor and Navy OSHA specialist, I would caution to take his statement with a grain of salt. He may have misunderstood and thought that they were making the Spyder, instead of making all the pieces he saw for the Spyder.

I get a lot of that "incomplete memory" when dealing with the public as much as I do..

BTW: I have a smuggler on my CBR, and I go everywhere with it. No problems in two years.

This post has been edited by MSGT-R: 25 August 2008 - 12:51 PM

[TharkunRT]

Reclusespyder, on Aug 25 2008, 10:40 AM, said:

Sorry to disagree once again. Seeking opinions on Corbin products while standing outside the Corbin hauler is hardly an unbiased response. I on the other hand do not seek out any response on Corbin products and get them offered. Most are negative.
Corbin's customer service is the worse I have ever seen. There are those that are equally bad but none worse. The fact that he stays in business doesn't mean anything. There is a new sucker born every minute and I was one of them. I just chose not to be silent about it while others are probably too embarrassed about wasting their money to say anything.

Now this is an aside. I met a Harley rider in Southern Oregon who was looking over my bike. He said he had just come back from the plant where they make the Spyder. When I questioned him about where he had been he had been to Hollister. Guess Where? They told him they were making the Spyder there. '

I put my arm around his shoulder and explained to him as gently as I could that if Corbin were building these bikes they would cost $150 k , weigh two tons and probably make a lot of noise while not moving. I find it funny that someone who can't make a faring takes responsibility for a fine example of engineering like the Can Am Spyder.

And for those of you who don't like the looks of the Fairing, don't look, don't buy one. We live in the USA dude and that is what is all about.

Well since my review has turned into another Corbin bashing topic, I will add the following comments, then I'm only go reply to issues dealing with the original topic.

You know Sir I continue to be patient and trying to be of an assistance to you. But please, stop referring to my "12 days at Sturgis" as my only testing, observations, talking with, Corbin owners or about Corbin products You have not been involved with all of my travels or conversations, nor I with yours.

If you "truly believe" that any Corbin employee/salesperson told any customer that "Corbin Produces" the Spyder, then I doubt anything I try to be of assistance with you in person with will be of any help to you.

I have people assume that Corbin makes the Spyder when they see the products and I inform them they are prodcued by Corbin. Even after explaining the Spyder is manufactured by BRP, they can still be confused and think the Spyder is also produced by Corbin ...... but that is how the public can be at times.

This post has been edited by Tharkun#409: 25 August 2008 - 01:23 PM

[B1TTEN #509]

Please post the faring on E-bay so we can be done with it. PLEASE!!!! How can someone spend so much effort and time on something they are CLEARLY dissappointed in.

[MSGT-R]

Stand-down there, Vulture.. he was giving his opinion based upon a test period. Not everyone is pleased with the product, and he has been objective in his evaluation.

[darren]

B1TTEN #509, on Aug 25 2008, 03:09 PM, said:

Please post the faring on E-bay so we can be done with it. PLEASE!!!! How can someone spend so much effort and time on something they are CLEARLY dissappointed in.

i think he said he likes the look, it just doesnt work for him. i think he also said that hes trying to mod it to make it functional. some others mite be interested in what he comes up with

[IdleUp]

Tharkun#409, on Aug 25 2008, 01:27 PM, said:

You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. The difference as I see it is my opinion as for the appearance/design of the fairing is supported by several thousands of responses from the public in 8 different states now. Events such as Sturgis and the Walt Grey are two examples, it is amazing that the public has the opposite response to the fairing that some of the current owners of a Spyder have.

As for customer satisfaction, Corbin is no different/better than any other manufacturer, they will never have 100% customer satisfaction. Where your opinion and mine vary is that I have seen, talked with, observed hundreds if not a few thousand of the satisfied customers, and if they were not the majority, Corbin would have not managed to stay in business for 40 years at this point.

Please be advised that I’m not trying to be disrespectful to the board, it’s members, (or advertisers) but bottom line - But I'm afraid your painting a picture that does not quite portray Corbin.
As cold as it might seem, Corbin is taking advantage of the industry in a number of ways - first by having dual standards regarding delivery. While most of us are waiting 6-8 weeks for a seat - others are getting them is some cases in less than a week. I myself am a victim of Corbin’s false promises, and mishandling of product which cost me my vacation.

Other problems include; full deduction of the price of the seat when you order it - why is it Corbin has to hold a full $1000+ dollars of our money before the seat is even in concept? Why not a 25/75 like most other vendors, it’s not like they can’t sell a stock Spyder seat if you don’t accept it.
Has anyone even looked at the dreadful instructions when they get a Corbin seat - it's an absolute joke - spend $1000 on a darn seat and have to look at eight horrendous blurry photo's on a 8x11 sheet of paper which looks like it went through 5 copy machines – do you think they could spare the expense of a couple extra sheets of paper??

Further more, don't these people have anyone there that installs a seat? The first step is to remove the spring/shock - they tell you to use a socket and open end wrench to remove the bolt - you can't even see the bolt and it takes 20 minutes of digging your hands into the bottom of the seat, when if Corbin would have done their homework - all you have to do is pop the shock off the ball joint at the front of the seat and the seat lifts straight up and takes less than a minute to get the shock off.
The make-shift fuse for the seat heater which by the way fuses the dash cluster is a joke – it can’t plug in properly because it jams up against the relay and there is nothing to hold the fuse block in – hit a bump, and presto your engine could quit because Corbin choose to jump into the cluster fuse which keep the engine running. Even better, the Corbin instructions tell you to drill an enormous hole in your fuse panel cover – so now you have to disconnect the fuse block should you need to remove the cover. The whole thing with this wire and hole and silicon makes the whole thing look hokey!

If someone wants the true low-down - don't take my word for it - Just look at the bottom of a Corbin seat - any seat, it's embarrassing and absolute joke - I never seen such poor workmanship - shoddy rivet jobs - material bunched up - crooked posts - holes drilled everywhere - gaping holes everywhere - the switch's and wiring are exposed in big gaping holes. No channels for the wiring looks like a back garage operation.
The rear seat mount on a Spyder is a joke, they use sharp steel strips that just lodge and jam under the front seat – hopefully not on one of your wires which are just flopping around- it's just a darn mess. They don't even wipe off the mold release grease. Anyhow, After 8+ weeks, I’m still waiting for a switch to complete my installation.

Anyhow, getting back to the original post – Can’t for the life of me understand why that blob has to weigh 10 pounds when a windshield weighs just ounces and works better!! In my humble opinion, the Spyder fairing is still unsightly and ugly and contributes nothing to the aesthetics, in addition, most of the posts I’m hearing shows that typical of Corbin products, they have major QC problems as well.

[TMehaffey#1960]

IdleUp, on Aug 25 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

Please be advised that I’m not trying to be disrespectful to the board, it’s members, (or advertisers) but bottom line - But I'm afraid your painting a picture that does not quite portray Corbin.
As cold as it might seem, Corbin is taking advantage of the industry in a number of ways - first by having dual standards regarding delivery. While most of us are waiting 6-8 weeks for a seat - others are getting them is some cases in less than a week. I myself am a victim of Corbin’s false promises, and mishandling of product which cost me my vacation.

Other problems include; full deduction of the price of the seat when you order it - why is it Corbin has to hold a full $1000+ dollars of our money before the seat is even in concept? Why not a 25/75 like most other vendors, it’s not like they can’t sell a stock Spyder seat if you don’t accept it.
Has anyone even looked at the dreadful instructions when they get a Corbin seat - it's an absolute joke - spend $1000 on a darn seat and have to look at eight horrendous blurry photo's on a 8x11 sheet of paper which looks like it went through 5 copy machines – do you think they could spare the expense of a couple extra sheets of paper??

Further more, don't these people have anyone there that installs a seat? The first step is to remove the spring/shock - they tell you to use a socket and open end wrench to remove the bolt - you can't even see the bolt and it takes 20 minutes of digging your hands into the bottom of the seat, when if Corbin would have done their homework - all you have to do is pop the shock off the ball joint at the front of the seat and the seat lifts straight up and takes less than a minute to get the shock off.
The make-shift fuse for the seat heater which by the way fuses the dash cluster is a joke – it can’t plug in properly because it jams up against the relay and there is nothing to hold the fuse block in – hit a bump, and presto your engine could quit because Corbin choose to jump into the cluster fuse which keep the engine running. Even better, the Corbin instructions tell you to drill an enormous hole in your fuse panel cover – so now you have to disconnect the fuse block should you need to remove the cover. The whole thing with this wire and hole and silicon makes the whole thing look hokey!

If someone wants the true low-down - don't take my word for it - Just look at the bottom of a Corbin seat - any seat, it's embarrassing and absolute joke - I never seen such poor workmanship - shoddy rivet jobs - material bunched up - crooked posts - holes drilled everywhere - gaping holes everywhere - the switch's and wiring are exposed in big gaping holes. No channels for the wiring looks like a back garage operation.
The rear seat mount on a Spyder is a joke, they use sharp steel strips that just lodge and jam under the front seat – hopefully not on one of your wires which are just flopping around- it's just a darn mess. They don't even wipe off the mold release grease. Anyhow, After 8+ weeks, I’m still waiting for a switch to complete my installation.

Anyhow, getting back to the original post – Can’t for the life of me understand why that blob has to weigh 10 pounds when a windshield weighs just ounces and works better!! In my humble opinion, the Spyder fairing is still unsightly and ugly and contributes nothing to the aesthetics, in addition, most of the posts I’m hearing shows that typical of Corbin products, they have major QC problems as well.

I ordered my seat on 8/9/08. I received it on 8/23. Yes that is Saturday (Corbin uses Fedex ground which
delivers on Sat.) Soo I didn't lose the weekend.
I installed Saturday morning and found the instructions to be clear and straight forward.
There were no problems with fit or finish and the quality of the product was outstanding IMO.
I road 300 miles on Sunday and what a difference No more stops after 80 miles to get the feeling back in my butt.
All in all I am very happy with seat and will buy other Corbin products in the future
Disclaimer: I have not been paid or componsated(sp) in any way this is just my experience
as it relates to my purchase of the seat

[Marc]

IdleUp, on Aug 25 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

Please be advised that I’m not trying to be disrespectful to the board, it’s members, (or advertisers) but bottom line - But I'm afraid your painting a picture that does not quite portray Corbin.

With all due respect, Tharkun is painting the picture that portrays his personal experience with the Corbin product. I have limited experience with Corbin, but it has all been positive. My last cruiser had a Mustang seat on it, so I certainly don't blindly follow Corbin products. I do however have a very good understanding of how the business world works and I know that if a business was truly as bad as you the picture you paint...it would fail. Since Corbin if flourishing, something doesn't add up. You can't "fool" your customers forever, but happy customers return.

It's obvious that Corbin products can be polarizing. Some really seem to have an issue...and that minority seem to be a vocal lot. That's fine, but if someone likes the product...it doesn't make them wrong.

[papasled]

IdleUp, on Aug 25 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

Please be advised that I’m not trying to be disrespectful to the board, it’s members, (or advertisers) but bottom line - But I'm afraid your painting a picture that does not quite portray Corbin.
As cold as it might seem, Corbin is taking advantage of the industry in a number of ways - first by having dual standards regarding delivery. While most of us are waiting 6-8 weeks for a seat - others are getting them is some cases in less than a week. I myself am a victim of Corbin’s false promises, and mishandling of product which cost me my vacation.

Other problems include; full deduction of the price of the seat when you order it - why is it Corbin has to hold a full $1000+ dollars of our money before the seat is even in concept? Why not a 25/75 like most other vendors, it’s not like they can’t sell a stock Spyder seat if you don’t accept it.
Has anyone even looked at the dreadful instructions when they get a Corbin seat - it's an absolute joke - spend $1000 on a darn seat and have to look at eight horrendous blurry photo's on a 8x11 sheet of paper which looks like it went through 5 copy machines – do you think they could spare the expense of a couple extra sheets of paper??

Further more, don't these people have anyone there that installs a seat? The first step is to remove the spring/shock - they tell you to use a socket and open end wrench to remove the bolt - you can't even see the bolt and it takes 20 minutes of digging your hands into the bottom of the seat, when if Corbin would have done their homework - all you have to do is pop the shock off the ball joint at the front of the seat and the seat lifts straight up and takes less than a minute to get the shock off.
The make-shift fuse for the seat heater which by the way fuses the dash cluster is a joke – it can’t plug in properly because it jams up against the relay and there is nothing to hold the fuse block in – hit a bump, and presto your engine could quit because Corbin choose to jump into the cluster fuse which keep the engine running. Even better, the Corbin instructions tell you to drill an enormous hole in your fuse panel cover – so now you have to disconnect the fuse block should you need to remove the cover. The whole thing with this wire and hole and silicon makes the whole thing look hokey!

If someone wants the true low-down - don't take my word for it - Just look at the bottom of a Corbin seat - any seat, it's embarrassing and absolute joke - I never seen such poor workmanship - shoddy rivet jobs - material bunched up - crooked posts - holes drilled everywhere - gaping holes everywhere - the switch's and wiring are exposed in big gaping holes. No channels for the wiring looks like a back garage operation.
The rear seat mount on a Spyder is a joke, they use sharp steel strips that just lodge and jam under the front seat – hopefully not on one of your wires which are just flopping around- it's just a darn mess. They don't even wipe off the mold release grease. Anyhow, After 8+ weeks, I’m still waiting for a switch to complete my installation.

Anyhow, getting back to the original post – Can’t for the life of me understand why that blob has to weigh 10 pounds when a windshield weighs just ounces and works better!! In my humble opinion, the Spyder fairing is still unsightly and ugly and contributes nothing to the aesthetics, in addition, most of the posts I’m hearing shows that typical of Corbin products, they have major QC problems as well.

[Marc]

papasled, on Aug 25 2008, 05:30 PM, said:

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Trouble maker

[ProviderEx]

has anyone actually read review of corbin on other sites? I am just wondering. cuz it seem this is going on across the board with corboin on MANY forums. I don't want to be banned for this. but it seems 100% of people on the net pretty much agree that corbin is just a simple step above the OEM seats. that is all that keeps them in business nothing more.
in fact their seat is the only thing that has kept them in business.

I am doing allot of reading regarding corbin, their policy, behavior and more. and so far it seems unless they Gave you a free thing to write a good review about. they are just simply one step above OEM. and lets face it no bike comes with a good seat.

and lets not forget Corbin started in 68. hell every0one who started than is still around. lol they were the first. that is why they are around. not due to quality and mike corbin is from what I undrestand a smart business man. hell MS is still in business and they suck heavy. lol hell bush is still resident and he sucks. lol

just cuz your in business doesn't mean your in good business.

in fact shady companies tend to prosper more than other due to being shady.


don't delete or ban me. lol I be good....

[IdleUp]

TMehaffey#1960, on Aug 25 2008, 05:02 PM, said:

I ordered my seat on 8/9/08. I received it on 8/23. Yes that is Saturday (Corbin uses Fedex ground which
delivers on Sat.) Soo I didn't lose the weekend.
I installed Saturday morning and found the instructions to be clear and straight forward.
There were no problems with fit or finish and the quality of the product was outstanding IMO.
I road 300 miles on Sunday and what a difference No more stops after 80 miles to get the feeling back in my butt.
All in all I am very happy with seat and will buy other Corbin products in the future
Disclaimer: I have not been paid or componsated(sp) in any way this is just my experience
as it relates to my purchase of the seat

Thanks - This is exactly what I was trying to say! Why is it you only wait 5 days and other guys have to wait 4-6 weeks!

Did you have a heated seat?

I find it comical that you found the instructions "clear and straight forward" the images are almost to the point of being unrecognizable!

[TharkunRT]

Note sure what happened with the instructions, if you check the Corbin site for the seat, under the Notes you can download the file. The instructions are in color and crystal clear that were included with the seat on Spydie, just like the file online.

This post has been edited by Tharkun#409: 25 August 2008 - 06:17 PM

[Bigdave18629]

Marc, on Aug 25 2008, 02:35 PM, said:

Trouble maker

That is funny!

[Marcel July]

Sure it is.........

[Bigdave18629]

Reclusespyder, on Aug 25 2008, 10:40 AM, said:

Sorry to disagree once again. Seeking opinions on Corbin products while standing outside the Corbin hauler is hardly an unbiased response. I on the other hand do not seek out any response on Corbin products and get them offered. Most are negative.
Corbin's customer service is the worse I have ever seen. There are those that are equally bad but none worse. The fact that he stays in business doesn't mean anything. There is a new sucker born every minute and I was one of them. I just chose not to be silent about it while others are probably too embarrassed about wasting their money to say anything.

Now this is an aside. I met a Harley rider in Southern Oregon who was looking over my bike. He said he had just come back from the plant where they make the Spyder. When I questioned him about where he had been he had been to Hollister. Guess Where? They told him they were making the Spyder there. '

I put my arm around his shoulder and explained to him as gently as I could that if Corbin were building these bikes they would cost $150 k , weigh two tons and probably make a lot of noise while not moving. I find it funny that someone who can't make a faring takes responsibility for a fine example of engineering like the Can Am Spyder.

And for those of you who don't like the looks of the Fairing, don't look, don't buy one. We live in the USA dude and that is what is all about.

I can speak of my experience while at the Walt Gray ride this past weekend with Tharkun and 14 other Spyders. Of a total of 15 Spyders( 2,500 total bikes), 13 of them were basically stock with only minor changes. One was custom painted and had a number of upgrades and then there was Tharkun and his Corbin dressed machine.

I personally do not like the looks fo the fairing and would no sooner put it on my bike than I would push it off a cliff. With that said, I was parked right beside Tharkun and he had a non stop line of bikers asking about his machine. My guess is he handled questions at a rate of 10 to one compare to all of us other owners combined. I can tell you that 90% or more of the people had good things to say about the looks, the fit and the finish of the accessories. I personally like the saddle bags and the smuggler trunk, have mixed opinions about the fender and as I said, have no use for the fairing. I have nothing to gain here and at this time do not own a single Corbin product for my bike and right now have no intentions of owning one. (thinking about a seat)

I can tell you the Tharkun is helpful to all that ask and he gives honest opnions about his Corbin accessories as well as any other questions that you ask about modifications or other parts.

The thing about opinions, they are like a** holes, every body has one, and some should choose when, where and how to expose theirs.

I don't have a horse in this race but find this entire thread useless. I read through it to hopefully find something of value and at the end just see it as an insane rant of one unhappy individual that will not take someones personal help to get it resolved.

Sell the fairing and sell the Spyder, go get a Vespa, I hear they are quiet.

[sleepman]

Tharkun#409, on Aug 21 2008, 07:45 AM, said:

When the Corbin Wizards asked me to try the Spyder fairing I informed them I may not be the best person for testing/reviewing this product. Having never used or wanted a windshield or faring on any bike I had owned in over 50 years of riding, I was not sold on the need for a fairing on Spydie..

After about a 20 minute discussion with Mike Corbin about slipstreams, wind sheer, wind deflection, aerodynamics and a few other areas, Mike asked me to try his Spyder which had the fairing. I took his offer and went for a short ride on his Spyder, upon returning Mike asked what I thought, I stated he had my interest, so the Wizards installed the fairing on Spydie.

If there are any questions just ask and I will attempt to supply an answer.

Out of curiosity since Corbin has asked you to try these products, did you pay full retail price or was Corbin using you as a test subject and the products were your reward? I ask because price can be quite an influence on review.

[TharkunRT]

sleepman, on Aug 25 2008, 05:28 PM, said:

Out of curiosity since Corbin has asked you to try these products, did you pay full retail price or was Corbin using you as a test subject and the products were your reward? I ask because price can be quite an influence on review.

As I have stated when the "cost" became an issue from the start, I was asked to be the Corbin product tester. I did not ask how long this was to be, I have retained all of the stock parts as I do not know when the testing will end. Mr Corbin has never stated these products are mine to keep. :

As for the products, yes I enjoy the use of them, do I need them, would it be a big deal if they were asked to be returned tomorrow, not really. I was perfectly happy with my Spyder before, and if I really needed to purchase a smuggler, fender, fairing, I would do it with no hesitation.