[spyderme]

Hi all

Had the update to the update done at Prorider in Sydney on Friday along with 10K service.
Initially I didn't notice much difference, but the more Ks I put on (150 so far) the better Spydie goes.
Performance is now back to what it was prior to update 1 (very happy with that).
Hopefully it will stay that way.
The original update definitely dropped some KWs on my Spyder (Hard to take off fast without spinning the back wheel now).
Tech said the update does injection mapping only.

Evap canister tubing has been rerouted. BRP (Oz) has the parts in stock.

I don't mean to be cynical but has anyone thought BRP may have been using the update as a means of getting owners to do their R&D for the RT.
I know a lot of companies do this these days (Customers make great Guinea Pigs apparently).
Just seems a little strange to muck with the mapping for no specific reason.

I have aftermarket exhaust and high flow air filter.

Al

[Martin]

spyderme, on Oct 17 2009, 07:56 PM, said:

Hi all

Had the update to the update done at Prorider in Sydney on Friday along with 10K service.
Initially I didn't notice much difference, but the more Ks I put on (150 so far) the better Spydie goes.
Performance is now back to what it was prior to update 1 (very happy with that).
Hopefully it will stay that way.
The original update definitely dropped some KWs on my Spyder (Hard to take off fast without spinning the back wheel now).
Tech said the update does injection mapping only.

Evap canister tubing has been rerouted. BRP (Oz) has the parts in stock.

I don't mean to be cynical but has anyone thought BRP may have been using the update as a means of getting owners to do their R&D for the RT.
I know a lot of companies do this these days (Customers make great Guinea Pigs apparently).
Just seems a little strange to muck with the mapping for no specific reason.

I have aftermarket exhaust and high flow air filter.

Al

Speculation on the forums is that the changes (other than DPS) in update # one involved the purge valve (that much seems true and confirmed by BRP) and some believe it was a reaction to the possible cause of a number of Spyder fires that occurred. Certainly rerouting the cannister vent hose would support those theories. Remapping seems to b the response to the mixture issuies resulting from the purge valve parameter changes.

This post has been edited by Martin: 17 October 2009 - 06:54 PM

[tjfischer]

spyderme, on Oct 17 2009, 02:56 AM, said:

I don't mean to be cynical but has anyone thought BRP may have been using the update as a means of getting owners to do their R&D for the RT.
I know a lot of companies do this these days (Customers make great Guinea Pigs apparently).
Just seems a little strange to muck with the mapping for no specific reason.

I have aftermarket exhaust and high flow air filter.

Al

I don't believe BRP intentionaly meant to mess with the Mapping. I think it was honest Human error. I believe the initial DPS update was designed for the stock exhaust only. Yes there are many Spyder configurations out there. When you are dealing with code you sometimes just see the big picture (How to fix the Steering) and you don't look at the what if's.

If you look at the design and the engineering of the RT. There was much more time involved than just a couple of years to come up it. Although, I am sure the have read these forums and take the imput seriuosly.

[Martin]

I rode up to Springwood Suzuki in some fairly warm weather and the Spyder was running very rough by the time I got there, especially between 3 and 4 k RPM. I was not happy at all.
The mechanic said he thought only Spyders with a pipe were suffering - I said I understood stock ones like mine were too.

After the update it runs like new again. Very happy so far even riding home in 34degrees ©.

[Trumpybob]

Martin, on 05 November 2009 - 01:59 AM, said:

I rode up to Springwood Suzuki in some fairly warm weather and the Spyder was running very rough by the time I got there, especially between 3 and 4 k RPM. I was not happy at all.
The mechanic said he thought only Spyders with a pipe were suffering - I said I understood stock ones like mine were too.

After the update it runs like new again. Very happy so far even riding home in 34degrees ©.

Hi Martin, I was under the impression that you were running the Hindle and were changing to the Motad Venom.
Bob

[Martin]

Trumpybob, on 06 November 2009 - 03:37 AM, said:

Hi Martin, I was under the impression that you were running the Hindle and were changing to the Motad Venom.
Bob

OK not quite. I have had the standard exhaust from day one. Then after the first update I put on the Motad Venom Plus. It ran fine for as few days then started running rough. So, blaming the Venom I changed back to the standard exhaust, not knowing at the time that the first update could cause issues, and the Spyder ran fine again .... for a couple of days and then started running rough which has continued on now until the second update. All now feels fine so I will change back to the Motad Venom and see how we go.

[Trumpybob]

Martin, on 06 November 2009 - 04:55 PM, said:

OK not quite. I have had the standard exhaust from day one. Then after the first update I put on the Motad Venom Plus. It ran fine for as few days then started running rough. So, blaming the Venom I changed back to the standard exhaust, not knowing at the time that the first update could cause issues, and the Spyder ran fine again .... for a couple of days and then started running rough which has continued on now until the second update. All now feels fine so I will change back to the Motad Venom and see how we go.

Gotcha. Let me know how it goes. Could be interested

Bob

[incy]

i am very confused

i spoke to our only dealer within hours about the update to the update.....

i asked about getting it done and he advised me that the update is only for surging at 100km.....and that the problems with the lower gears splutter......especially at the warmer temps has nothing to do with the update........

i havent noticed any surging at 100 but i have noticed the poor running in the lower range......

he explained that they will test for the surge at 100 and decide if my bike needs the 2nd update......

i explained to him that it was advised by brp and he still told me the update is only for ones that surge at 100........which is what they have been told from brp......and poor running has nothing to do with the update, he has told me it is probably something else wrong with my spyder and they will look into it.......guessing this will be at my cost.......

beginning to feel like i am about to be taken for a ride......is it because i am a girl......lol


my spyder never missed a beat before the update......

this not the first time i have walked out of there feeling very unsure

not feeling confident about sending it there......

looking for another option for servicing ect.....

any ideas......

[Martin]

incy, on 07 November 2009 - 10:01 AM, said:

i am very confused

i spoke to our only dealer within hours about the update to the update.....

i asked about getting it done and he advised me that the update is only for surging at 100km.....and that the problems with the lower gears splutter......especially at the warmer temps has nothing to do with the update........

Hi Incy

My Spyder was running like *rap when I rode it up to Springwood. It was running very rough by the time I got there, especially between 3 and 4 k RPM

It was like new coming home - really nice.

As I mentioned they said they thought it was only for Spyders with a "pipe" (mine has standard exhaust at this time) - they did not know about the 2nd update till I asked them to book mine in for it.

"only for surging at 100km"??? I think that is dead wrong.

This post has been edited by Martin: 07 November 2009 - 05:11 PM

[Trumpybob]

Martin, on 07 November 2009 - 05:11 PM, said:

Hi Incy

My Spyder was running like *rap when I rode it up to Springwood. It was running very rough by the time I got there, especially between 3 and 4 k RPM

It was like new coming home - really nice.

As I mentioned they said they thought it was only for Spyders with a "pipe" (mine has standard exhaust at this time) - they did not know about the 2nd update till I asked them to book mine in for it.

"only for surging at 100km"??? I think that is dead wrong.

I see our American cousins have a "Carlo" that they can contact in times of need. Perhaps we should see if we can get the Australian equivalent to sort out inconsistencies with dealers.
Bob

[incy]

yes i am with you there

i understand the spyders are new and i understand the mechanics too are learning.....

but i dont understand when you go to one with a problem......they are happy to tell you they dont know much about it.....or this is the first time we have had to do this......ect......doesnt make you feel very confident.......

i go to a mechanic cause i have no idea........i expect them to be at least as knowledgable about a problem than me.......i dont expect them to know less.......

i so wish gold coast seedoo still had the equipment to do servicing ect......they were very helpful and looked into a problem when an issue arose and not just go off the bulletin......

you can learn alot from readin this forum......and as the mechanics are also learning......maybe they should also be reading these forums too.....to stay in touch.......and learn a little more.....